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		<title>By: Avaya Nortel, Nortel Avaya. Which one is it ? And what happens to your old Nortel equipment ? — TheTelecomBlog.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avaya Nortel, Nortel Avaya. Which one is it ? And what happens to your old Nortel equipment ? — TheTelecomBlog.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] July 20th, 2009: Avaya to Buy Nortel’s Enterprise Business: A Sad Day for Canada [...]</description>
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		<title>By: What’s Avaya going to do with the Nortel product roadmap ? — TheTelecomBlog.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>What’s Avaya going to do with the Nortel product roadmap ? — TheTelecomBlog.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Interested in reading how this story started ? Here&#8217;s the first blog post on this subject: Avaya to Buy Nortel’s Enterprise Business: A Sad Day for Canada [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Does Nortel have another stalking horse in Nokia Siemens? — TheTelecomBlog.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Does Nortel have another stalking horse in Nokia Siemens? — TheTelecomBlog.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Lorie Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorie Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too think it is a very sad time for Nortel who was a giant around the world in telecommunications.  I started working for Nortel in the late 60&#039;s and worked for Northern for 14 years and it was an exciting place to be.  I have mostly fond memories of working in Cooksville and then Bramalea.  I remember working in the department where they were working on the World Wide Web and one of the programmers explained the whole concept to me.  I can remember looking at him in disbelief and thinking he was kidding me.  I just couldn&#039;t fathom reaching people all over the world with your computer or shopping on line.  Even though many people have lost their jobs and pensions – which is an ongoing issue, I think most of them would be proud of working for such a great company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too think it is a very sad time for Nortel who was a giant around the world in telecommunications.  I started working for Nortel in the late 60&#8217;s and worked for Northern for 14 years and it was an exciting place to be.  I have mostly fond memories of working in Cooksville and then Bramalea.  I remember working in the department where they were working on the World Wide Web and one of the programmers explained the whole concept to me.  I can remember looking at him in disbelief and thinking he was kidding me.  I just couldn&#8217;t fathom reaching people all over the world with your computer or shopping on line.  Even though many people have lost their jobs and pensions – which is an ongoing issue, I think most of them would be proud of working for such a great company.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I sad that Nortel is going away? As a canadian, yes I am. It is always sad to see a Canadian institution fade away.
As Alex, I am actually not sad at all. Nortel demonstrates exactly what is wrong on Wall Street, or in our case, Bay Street.
Big company, doing great work, goes public and refocuses in matching the street expectations, notwithstanding their product and services development.

They become, after all, financial companies, juggling their statements for no apparent reason other than meeting analysts expectations and grow. Because as we now, its all about growth. So, whatever happened to nice profits. That doesn&#039;t matter anymore. It is all growth. Doesn&#039;t matter from where, just grow. Specifically Nortel, for example, bought Synoptics a few years back. A company that had the upper hand over Cisco. Where did they go... nowhere. Focus is lost.

Their phone system business, I am not an expert, but you are. When we were looking for a new system, Nortel had nothing that addressed my business. We had to compare to newcomers like Switchbox and Shortel. And even now,  services like Google, ring central  and skype will start taking the upper hand as Avaya and Cisco don&#039;t seem to address the real VOIP. I know I am forever the gadget guy, but I do want something more than what we get and other smaller companies seem to be addressing it. I want to be able to talk on skype via my cell, or my desk phone. If I&#039;m in the office and have to leave, I want to transfer the call to my cell. And have 1 number for everything, with 1 voicemail box that I can check anywhere in the world. From a browser. And also use whatever computer (Mac would be a nice start, but linux too) to dial from the address book email or CRM system. to call via skype or cell or landline. Hard it is, otherwise it would be widely available. But just wait a bit and someone will offer it soon, just look at Asterisk.

If the Avaya&#039;s of the world  and others don&#039;t start addressing this issues, they will all have to face Nortel&#039;s situation at some point. This closed systems that they develop are not good for everyone and catering to wall street will not produce better systems either.
And the new players will take over. Specially in the small business market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I sad that Nortel is going away? As a canadian, yes I am. It is always sad to see a Canadian institution fade away.<br />
As Alex, I am actually not sad at all. Nortel demonstrates exactly what is wrong on Wall Street, or in our case, Bay Street.<br />
Big company, doing great work, goes public and refocuses in matching the street expectations, notwithstanding their product and services development.</p>
<p>They become, after all, financial companies, juggling their statements for no apparent reason other than meeting analysts expectations and grow. Because as we now, its all about growth. So, whatever happened to nice profits. That doesn&#8217;t matter anymore. It is all growth. Doesn&#8217;t matter from where, just grow. Specifically Nortel, for example, bought Synoptics a few years back. A company that had the upper hand over Cisco. Where did they go&#8230; nowhere. Focus is lost.</p>
<p>Their phone system business, I am not an expert, but you are. When we were looking for a new system, Nortel had nothing that addressed my business. We had to compare to newcomers like Switchbox and Shortel. And even now,  services like Google, ring central  and skype will start taking the upper hand as Avaya and Cisco don&#8217;t seem to address the real VOIP. I know I am forever the gadget guy, but I do want something more than what we get and other smaller companies seem to be addressing it. I want to be able to talk on skype via my cell, or my desk phone. If I&#8217;m in the office and have to leave, I want to transfer the call to my cell. And have 1 number for everything, with 1 voicemail box that I can check anywhere in the world. From a browser. And also use whatever computer (Mac would be a nice start, but linux too) to dial from the address book email or CRM system. to call via skype or cell or landline. Hard it is, otherwise it would be widely available. But just wait a bit and someone will offer it soon, just look at Asterisk.</p>
<p>If the Avaya&#8217;s of the world  and others don&#8217;t start addressing this issues, they will all have to face Nortel&#8217;s situation at some point. This closed systems that they develop are not good for everyone and catering to wall street will not produce better systems either.<br />
And the new players will take over. Specially in the small business market.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Strong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Strong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had to laugh at the comment that the BCM/CS1000 dealer base is worth something.  When we upgraded our phone system last year, the folks at MTS in Manitoba couldn&#039;t even arrange a working demo.

They wanted us to sign a contract before they would even tell us what we&#039;d get for it.  Their quotes were vague about what features we&#039;d be getting - and they&#039;d never get back to us to confirm.  

One of the key features we wanted was a simple programming API - something we could tap into to pop customer information up on the screen when they phoned.  They told us repeatedly that they had it, and that they&#039;d get back to us with the details.  When we refused to sign the contract without that information, they finally admitted that the API required a separate - much more expensive - contract, and that we wouldn&#039;t be allowed to see if it was suitable until after we signed and paid.

In the end we replaced our old Nortel system with a new Mitel system.  The details on the pop-up API were faxed to me before we signed, and it was all I needed.  Other programming APIs were publicly available.  The system has worked very well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had to laugh at the comment that the BCM/CS1000 dealer base is worth something.  When we upgraded our phone system last year, the folks at MTS in Manitoba couldn&#8217;t even arrange a working demo.</p>
<p>They wanted us to sign a contract before they would even tell us what we&#8217;d get for it.  Their quotes were vague about what features we&#8217;d be getting &#8211; and they&#8217;d never get back to us to confirm.  </p>
<p>One of the key features we wanted was a simple programming API &#8211; something we could tap into to pop customer information up on the screen when they phoned.  They told us repeatedly that they had it, and that they&#8217;d get back to us with the details.  When we refused to sign the contract without that information, they finally admitted that the API required a separate &#8211; much more expensive &#8211; contract, and that we wouldn&#8217;t be allowed to see if it was suitable until after we signed and paid.</p>
<p>In the end we replaced our old Nortel system with a new Mitel system.  The details on the pop-up API were faxed to me before we signed, and it was all I needed.  Other programming APIs were publicly available.  The system has worked very well.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike a</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nortel

Oh Nortel, how you once were so great.
I just kept on believing but 
you kept having to RESTATE.

For the analyst, Nortel was their top pick.
The stock just kept rising
and then it would split.

Roth bought companies, Nortel would never use.
Buying Nortel stock 
meant you just couldn’t lose.

But did we know, that the future was cursed?
Nortel financed all their orders
then the tech bubble burst.

Those dot com’s never earned a dime, 
Nortel stock price plunged 
and investors all whined.

It will be okay, all the analysts said,
John Roth was CEO of the year
or haven’t you read?

Roth resigns with millions says he’s not well 
So here comes Frank Dunn,
he has the same smell.

Dunn was the CFO, while Roth was the boss,
Roth &amp; Dunn are mostly to blame 
for the billions Nortel loss.


Slowly Nortel stock began an upward steady climb, 
from sixty odd cents to
 twelve bucks shy by a dime. 

But haunts from the past they would await, 
Dunn and his friends 
are caught in “bonusgate”

They inflated the revenue from previous years,
 Nortel was a laughing stock
 amongst all of its peers.

Dunn and his friends, are fired with cause,
 Now they all hide behind
Our lenient Canadian laws.

Millions of investors we’re all fed up.
 but wait, in walks the Admiral
 and another RESTATE. 

He did not do much we all can agree, 
 He also left with millions
 The Admiral just headed out to sea

But alas, the rumors could they be true? 
Here comes our best CEO 
What the rest couldn’t he will do.

He has a foreign name; it’s looking real sunny,
 But Nortel must wait cause
Motorola wants lots of money.

So again Nortel pays millions, BOD says he will be great.
Meet Mike Zafirovski and by
 the way another RESTATE.

We will do what is right, we will be squeaky clean, 
I’ll hire the right people,
we will get real lean.

Mike  it’s been over three years look what you.ve done
 Nortel’s market cap is now 
Is virtually next to none.



The stock is now worth ZERO cents
the pensioners wonder where 
all of their money went.

To settle the lawsuits, you just printed more shares,
Mike you killed all the bulls,
 In stormed all the bears.

You promised Nortel would again be great
Three to five years is what you 
asked investors like me to wait

Throw in the reverse split, the layoffs and cuts
Nortel kept bleeding billions
But giving yourself that big raise took real guts

 Analyst once screamed Nortel “it’s a good buy”
last one turn out the lights
After a hundred years of history sadly Nortel its good bye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nortel</p>
<p>Oh Nortel, how you once were so great.<br />
I just kept on believing but<br />
you kept having to RESTATE.</p>
<p>For the analyst, Nortel was their top pick.<br />
The stock just kept rising<br />
and then it would split.</p>
<p>Roth bought companies, Nortel would never use.<br />
Buying Nortel stock<br />
meant you just couldn’t lose.</p>
<p>But did we know, that the future was cursed?<br />
Nortel financed all their orders<br />
then the tech bubble burst.</p>
<p>Those dot com’s never earned a dime,<br />
Nortel stock price plunged<br />
and investors all whined.</p>
<p>It will be okay, all the analysts said,<br />
John Roth was CEO of the year<br />
or haven’t you read?</p>
<p>Roth resigns with millions says he’s not well<br />
So here comes Frank Dunn,<br />
he has the same smell.</p>
<p>Dunn was the CFO, while Roth was the boss,<br />
Roth &amp; Dunn are mostly to blame<br />
for the billions Nortel loss.</p>
<p>Slowly Nortel stock began an upward steady climb,<br />
from sixty odd cents to<br />
 twelve bucks shy by a dime. </p>
<p>But haunts from the past they would await,<br />
Dunn and his friends<br />
are caught in “bonusgate”</p>
<p>They inflated the revenue from previous years,<br />
 Nortel was a laughing stock<br />
 amongst all of its peers.</p>
<p>Dunn and his friends, are fired with cause,<br />
 Now they all hide behind<br />
Our lenient Canadian laws.</p>
<p>Millions of investors we’re all fed up.<br />
 but wait, in walks the Admiral<br />
 and another RESTATE. </p>
<p>He did not do much we all can agree,<br />
 He also left with millions<br />
 The Admiral just headed out to sea</p>
<p>But alas, the rumors could they be true?<br />
Here comes our best CEO<br />
What the rest couldn’t he will do.</p>
<p>He has a foreign name; it’s looking real sunny,<br />
 But Nortel must wait cause<br />
Motorola wants lots of money.</p>
<p>So again Nortel pays millions, BOD says he will be great.<br />
Meet Mike Zafirovski and by<br />
 the way another RESTATE.</p>
<p>We will do what is right, we will be squeaky clean,<br />
I’ll hire the right people,<br />
we will get real lean.</p>
<p>Mike  it’s been over three years look what you.ve done<br />
 Nortel’s market cap is now<br />
Is virtually next to none.</p>
<p>The stock is now worth ZERO cents<br />
the pensioners wonder where<br />
all of their money went.</p>
<p>To settle the lawsuits, you just printed more shares,<br />
Mike you killed all the bulls,<br />
 In stormed all the bears.</p>
<p>You promised Nortel would again be great<br />
Three to five years is what you<br />
asked investors like me to wait</p>
<p>Throw in the reverse split, the layoffs and cuts<br />
Nortel kept bleeding billions<br />
But giving yourself that big raise took real guts</p>
<p> Analyst once screamed Nortel “it’s a good buy”<br />
last one turn out the lights<br />
After a hundred years of history sadly Nortel its good bye.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure Avaya will entirely kill of the data line, they could use switches to support their voip products, but the voice side of things would almost certainly be dead. Hopefully Matlin Patterson will out bid them and keep things intact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure Avaya will entirely kill of the data line, they could use switches to support their voip products, but the voice side of things would almost certainly be dead. Hopefully Matlin Patterson will out bid them and keep things intact.</p>
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